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		<title>Church Discipline Without Church Membership?</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2009/01/church-discipline-without-church-membership/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>During the Total Church Conference, Steve Timmis shared that <a href="http://thecrowdedhouse.org/"><em>The Crowded House</em></a><em> </em>does church discipline without church membership. They advocate a culture of &#8220;gospeling&#8221; that promotes Jesus-centered discipline in little ways throughout the week. Apparently, this happens in their house church communities quite often.</p>
<p>He shared a story of a young woman who called him on the carpet for being impatient and touchy with someone on the telephone. He suggested that, done respectfully, this kind of &#8220;church discipline&#8221; should be normative in churches. Moreover, he argued that, if this church discipline method was normative, bigger church discipline issues could more easily be avoided. Provided that this is a gospel-centered phenomenon, I see some merit in it; however, I&#8217;m not quite ready to jettison church membership. Are you? Why or why not?</p>
<p>For more see the recent <a href="http://blog.9marks.org/2009/01/interview-with-steve-timmis-part-2-membership-and-leadership.html">9 Marks interview</a> with Steve.&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2009/01/church-discipline-without-church-membership/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the Total Church Conference, Steve Timmis shared that <a href="http://thecrowdedhouse.org/"><em>The Crowded House</em></a><em> </em>does church discipline without church membership. They advocate a culture of &#8220;gospeling&#8221; that promotes Jesus-centered discipline in little ways throughout the week. Apparently, this happens in their house church communities quite often.</p>
<p>He shared a story of a young woman who called him on the carpet for being impatient and touchy with someone on the telephone. He suggested that, done respectfully, this kind of &#8220;church discipline&#8221; should be normative in churches. Moreover, he argued that, if this church discipline method was normative, bigger church discipline issues could more easily be avoided. Provided that this is a gospel-centered phenomenon, I see some merit in it; however, I&#8217;m not quite ready to jettison church membership. Are you? Why or why not?</p>
<p>For more see the recent <a href="http://blog.9marks.org/2009/01/interview-with-steve-timmis-part-2-membership-and-leadership.html">9 Marks interview</a> with Steve.</p>
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		<title>Tim Chester: Narrative Statement of Faith</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/11/tim-chester-narrative-statement-of-faith/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Missional Church]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Austin City Life]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Crowded House]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Tim Chester and Steve Timmis have developed a <a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/doctrine">new narrative statement</a> of faith for the <a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/">Crowded House</a>. This is something I have been working on for <a href="http://www.austincitylife.org">Austin City Life</a>. The Crowded House offers a good one.&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/11/tim-chester-narrative-statement-of-faith/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Chester and Steve Timmis have developed a <a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/doctrine">new narrative statement</a> of faith for the <a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/">Crowded House</a>. This is something I have been working on for <a href="http://www.austincitylife.org">Austin City Life</a>. The Crowded House offers a good one.</p>
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		<title>ALL Total Church Audio is up</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/10/all-total-church-audio-is-up/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Gospel and Culture]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://churchplantingnovice.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/all-total-church-audio-is-up/">All Total Church Conference Audio is up</a>&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/10/all-total-church-audio-is-up/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rethinking Church: Membership, Missional Communities, and Pastoring</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/08/rethinking-church-membership-missional-communities-and-pastoring/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Missional Church]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Mark Moore]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Tim Chester recently used a phrase that is becoming commonplace among our leaders to describe what we are trying to cultivate&#8212;<em>steady state community.</em> We are trying to cultivate communities that <em>share life and truth throughout the week, not just on Sundays and City Group days.</em> We are kidding ourselves if we really think that showing up to two meetings a week and engaging in a missional partnership once a month is really living in Christian community. So, we are trying to cultivate steady state community, which requires much more than preaching on it. We envision shared meals, leisure, mission throughout the week. How?</p>
<p>In order to cultivate steady-state, gospel-centered missional community, just about everything in a church has to be reconfigured. Traditional paradigms and practices wont work; they are bent around a different ecclesiology. So, in order to think things through, I recently sat down with my friend <a href="http://mooreblog.typepad.com/">Mark Moore</a> at Total Church conference in San Diego and fired away with a list of questions. Here are a few of the insights (framed by &#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/08/rethinking-church-membership-missional-communities-and-pastoring/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Chester recently used a phrase that is becoming commonplace among our leaders to describe what we are trying to cultivate&#8212;<em>steady state community.</em> We are trying to cultivate communities that <em>share life and truth throughout the week, not just on Sundays and City Group days.</em> We are kidding ourselves if we really think that showing up to two meetings a week and engaging in a missional partnership once a month is really living in Christian community. So, we are trying to cultivate steady state community, which requires much more than preaching on it. We envision shared meals, leisure, mission throughout the week. How?</p>
<p>In order to cultivate steady-state, gospel-centered missional community, just about everything in a church has to be reconfigured. Traditional paradigms and practices wont work; they are bent around a different ecclesiology. So, in order to think things through, I recently sat down with my friend <a href="http://mooreblog.typepad.com/">Mark Moore</a> at Total Church conference in San Diego and fired away with a list of questions. Here are a few of the insights (framed by the Q&amp;A, not verbatim):</p>
<p><strong>The Crowded House advocates a non-membership, community-centered, consensus decision making governance. You still have membership. Why and how do you develop members?</strong></p>
<p>Man, we&#8217;ve got to take what Crowded House (CH) is doing and contextualize it. In America, well at least down South, especially in the Bible-belt, there is still a paradigm for church membership. It&#8217;s jacked up and needs to be tweaked, but people still come to church expecting some kind of membership, no matter how bad it is. So, we can work with that. What we (<a href="http://www.providencecommunity.com/">Providence Community</a>) do is hold a six week class that goes through Gospel, Community, and end with a session on Church Planting. Then, what we tell them at the end of the class <em>that your participation in this class doesn&#8217;t make you a member. What makes you a member is being in a missional communty.</em></p>
<p><strong>How do you reinforce that the church is not a Sunday morning service?</strong></p>
<p>One of the things we do is spotlight a missional community every week. For about five minutes someone comes up and shares something, typically about mission, from their missional community. That way, everyone coming to the service gets to hear what they are missing, to hear from the church about the church. [I asked, "Do you script this or go over it with them beforehand?"] No, and, man, sometimes people say something that doesn&#8217;t really make sense, but that is just an opportunity for us to be a real community, and if it&#8217;s really bad I can transition making some editorial comments.</p>
<p><strong>How do you view yourself, as a pastor/elder, in steady state community?</strong></p>
<p>My role is a shepherd, my identity is a sheep. So I try to relate to them as a fellow sheep not just as some inaccessible professional pastor. I also make sure that when I meet a dude or someone on Sunday morning that I get them connected to their missional community leader that morning, if possible. They need to know that the pastor of their missional community is the best person for them to relate to.</p>
<p><em>Austin City Life has incorporated all of this at various levels of participation and church life. Mark&#8217;s comments spurred me to spotlight our City Groups every week and not just on occassion. Our leadership has soaked up the steady state community idea, and we are working on implementing it. What a privilege!</em></p>
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		<title>Creating Communities of Grace</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/07/creating-communities-of-grace/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>See Tim Chester&#8217;s notes on Steve Timmis&#8217; <a href="http://timchester.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/creating-communities-of-grace-2/">Creating Communities of Grace</a>.&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/07/creating-communities-of-grace/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Tim Chester&#8217;s notes on Steve Timmis&#8217; <a href="http://timchester.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/creating-communities-of-grace-2/">Creating Communities of Grace</a>.</p>
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		<title>Total Church Releases in U.S.</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/07/total-church-releases-in-us/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few readers were interested in my <a href="http://creationproject.wordpress.com/?s=tim+chester">series of posts</a> on <em>Total Church</em>, a book about gospel-centered community written by Tim Chester and Steve Timmis in the U.K. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1433502089/?tag=widgetsamazon-20"><em>Total Church</em></a> has been picked up by ReLIT, a publishing branch of Crossway Books and will be released in the U.S. in September. See info <a href="http://www.crossway.org/product/9781433502088">here</a>. (By the way, someone has my copy, if you have it would you let me know?!)&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/07/total-church-releases-in-us/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://static.crossway.org/products/9781433502088.jpg" alt="" width="120" height="185" />Quite a few readers were interested in my <a href="http://creationproject.wordpress.com/?s=tim+chester">series of posts</a> on <em>Total Church</em>, a book about gospel-centered community written by Tim Chester and Steve Timmis in the U.K. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1433502089/?tag=widgetsamazon-20"><em>Total Church</em></a> has been picked up by ReLIT, a publishing branch of Crossway Books and will be released in the U.S. in September. See info <a href="http://www.crossway.org/product/9781433502088">here</a>. (By the way, someone has my copy, if you have it would you let me know?!)</p>
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		<title>Promising Interview w/ Pastors of Kaleo</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/05/promising-interview-w-pastors-of-kaleo/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Missional Church]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Drew Goodmanson and Kaleo church have been kind enough to share some of their missional thinking documents with me while planting <a href="http://www.austincitylife.org">Austin City Life</a>. Now fellow Acts 29 planters, Goodmanson and Fairchild will be sharing through Shapevine in an online interview. They do theology and missiology very well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goodmanson.com/2008-05/22/shapevine-interview-goodmanson-fairchild/">Check it out</a>.</p>
<p>HT:<a href="http://www.stevekmccoy.com/reformissionary/">SM</a>&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/05/promising-interview-w-pastors-of-kaleo/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew Goodmanson and Kaleo church have been kind enough to share some of their missional thinking documents with me while planting <a href="http://www.austincitylife.org">Austin City Life</a>. Now fellow Acts 29 planters, Goodmanson and Fairchild will be sharing through Shapevine in an online interview. They do theology and missiology very well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goodmanson.com/2008-05/22/shapevine-interview-goodmanson-fairchild/">Check it out</a>.</p>
<p>HT:<a href="http://www.stevekmccoy.com/reformissionary/">SM</a></p>
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		<title>Tim Chester on Gospel Change</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/03/tim-chester-on-gospel-change/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Gospel and Culture]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>If you read or still want to read <i>Total Church</i> by Tim Chester, get excited about his next book <i>Gospel Change</i> (endorsed by Tim Keller). See a promo video <a href="http://www.eucatastrophe.com/blog/archives/2008/03/18/gospel-driven-change/">here</a>. See my posts on <a href="http://creationproject.wordpress.com/?s=total+church">Total Church</a> here.&#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/03/tim-chester-on-gospel-change/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read or still want to read <i>Total Church</i> by Tim Chester, get excited about his next book <i>Gospel Change</i> (endorsed by Tim Keller). See a promo video <a href="http://www.eucatastrophe.com/blog/archives/2008/03/18/gospel-driven-change/">here</a>. See my posts on <a href="http://creationproject.wordpress.com/?s=total+church">Total Church</a> here.</p>
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		<title>Three Strand Evangelism</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/01/three-strand-evangelism-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Missional Church]]></category>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="snap_preview">“Most gospel ministry involves <i>ordinary people doing ordinary things </i>with gospel intentionality.” Evangelism is often presented as a program or something for professionals. It is neither. Growing out of a radical call to love other people in the way of Jesus, <a href="http://www.ivpbooks.com/isbn/9781844741915.htm">Total Church</a> authors, Timmis and Chester argue for a refreshingly simple<a href="http://www.ivpbooks.com/isbn/9781844741915.htm"><img src="http://www.ivpbooks.com/covers/9781844741915.jpg" align="right" height="160" width="146" /></a> model of evangelism that is rooted in gospel and community.Three Strand evangelism includes: 1) building relationships 2) sharing the gospel 3) introducing people to community. This approach has most influenced our approach to &#8220;evangelism.&#8221; Regarding the role of the community the authors comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>Not everyone can think on their feet. Some people are simply not good at speaking to strangers and forming new friendships. One of the practical benefits of the three-strand model of evangelism is that it gives a role to all of God’s people. By making evangelism a community project, it also takes seriously the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit in distributing a variety of gifts among his people.</p></blockquote>
<p>Applied three-strand evangelism includes forming authentic relationships with others, inviting them into your community through dinners, movies, hearing bands, parties and so on, allowing them to witness the power and presence of God in people who aren’t afraid of culture and genuinely love others.</p></div>
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		<title>The World We All Want</title>
		<link>http://jonathandodson.org/2008/01/the-world-we-all-want/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In search of a biblical-theological, culturally relevant, simple evangelism approach I came across Tim Chester&#8217;s <i><a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/?q=gccroom/evangelism/twwaw_overview">The World We All Want</a></i>. Here is a description of this course:</p>
<blockquote><p>We all dream of a better world &#8211; a world of security, plenty and friendship. Christians believe that God promises just such a new world. The Bible is the story of God making that promise and keeping it. The World We All Want is for people who are interested in the message of the Bible. Developed by the Crowded House, The World We All Want is an evangelistic Bible overview.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the key points that Tim has emphasized is beginning our gospel &#8220;presentations&#8221; with new creation, not with sin. I the Austin context, this is pretty crucial. Beginning with sin smacks of legalism and self-righteousness, but beginning with what we all long for&#8212;and what God promises&#8212;a world put to rights, full of joy and justice connects with the longing of  every human heart. It mines the seed of religion in the heart of man and graciously &#8230; <a href="http://jonathandodson.org/2008/01/the-world-we-all-want/" class="read_more">{keep reading}</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In search of a biblical-theological, culturally relevant, simple evangelism approach I came across Tim Chester&#8217;s <i><a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/?q=gccroom/evangelism/twwaw_overview">The World We All Want</a></i>. Here is a description of this course:</p>
<blockquote><p>We all dream of a better world &#8211; a world of security, plenty and friendship. Christians believe that God promises just such a new world. The Bible is the story of God making that promise and keeping it. The World We All Want is for people who are interested in the message of the Bible. Developed by the Crowded House, The World We All Want is an evangelistic Bible overview.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the key points that Tim has emphasized is beginning our gospel &#8220;presentations&#8221; with new creation, not with sin. I the Austin context, this is pretty crucial. Beginning with sin smacks of legalism and self-righteousness, but beginning with what we all long for&#8212;and what God promises&#8212;a world put to rights, full of joy and justice connects with the longing of  every human heart. It mines the seed of religion in the heart of man and graciously leads him to repentance over looking to lesser things for fulfillment of this longing.</p>
<p>I just ordered the accompanying <a href="http://www.amazon.com/World-All-Want-Tim-Chester/dp/1850786364/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1200670776&amp;sr=8-1">book</a>, so more to come. Tim has also graciously posted the <a href="http://www.thecrowdedhouse.org/?q=gccroom/evangelism/twwaw_overview">pdfs</a> of the session summaries for Alpha course like presentations.</p>
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